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they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working with the civil affairs team, giving out flags to children and local leaders. they would look at the flag and say what is this. you would have to explain, it's your country. there's another thing, i think you brought up a good point, joe. afghanistan is not iraq. you are right. there's a crucial player, though that factors in. that's iran. iran is not only very active and involved, but in addition to that, iran is part of the summit takes place in december between the leaders of pakistan, afghanistan and iran. iran is trying to show its hand in the larger conversation. how that plays out is going to have a
they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working...
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talk about are kind of phantom cuts, fan come savings based on savings on troop levels in iraq and afghanistan. >> well, interesting enough while they're calling the overseas contingency operation dollars phantom funds, anderson, you may know, they used those funds and put them in their own budget that they've already voted for and relied on. >> so where do you see this going? what do you think happens tonight? what do you think happens tomorrow? >> of course i don't know what's going to happen tonight. obviously the republicans are meeting with themselves to see whether or not they have the votes to pass what john boehner has offered as a purely partisan alternative. we were not involved in those discussions. we were not involved in the decisions. and it's interesting that even in their own party, it is deeply factionalized, deeply divided party, divided against their leadership, angry at their leadership. and a party that is divided itself has difficulty working with the president or working with us. and that's unfortunate. and the country is the poorer for it. and the image of america is po
talk about are kind of phantom cuts, fan come savings based on savings on troop levels in iraq and afghanistan. >> well, interesting enough while they're calling the overseas contingency operation dollars phantom funds, anderson, you may know, they used those funds and put them in their own budget that they've already voted for and relied on. >> so where do you see this going? what do you think happens tonight? what do you think happens tomorrow? >> of course i don't know...
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for give me for talking about afghanistan. i've gone off on a tangent. >> another time. >> suddenly people started talking about politics again. they said, maybe paralleled with what we were trying to say there was an interesting subject. >> how much have the critics gotten to you over the years? >> i don't really care very much if i don't think the critics really understand music. >> somebody that you respect, what is the most hurtful kind of thing they could say that would really get to you? >> i guess somebody who i did respect as a musician said that the score was humdrum or something, then i would be sad if i believed in the score. there are always going to be occasions where i think with musical theater, and particularly i think what i do in musical theater, it gets a little bit curious because i fit between sort of two camps. clearly the worst composer in history for "hairspray." i would be the worst composer in history, though i haven't seen it, i'm sure, for "book of mormon." yet, on the other side of it, i am more op
for give me for talking about afghanistan. i've gone off on a tangent. >> another time. >> suddenly people started talking about politics again. they said, maybe paralleled with what we were trying to say there was an interesting subject. >> how much have the critics gotten to you over the years? >> i don't really care very much if i don't think the critics really understand music. >> somebody that you respect, what is the most hurtful kind of thing they could say...
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. >> -- ask about military strategy or how a troop drawdown in afghanistan would affect them. no. they ask whether they would pay for republicans to force the united states government to stop paying its bills. a region that has been rocked by violence and plagued by suicide bombers this month and wondered how they would take care of their families if the checks stopped coming next month. let me read a little bit of that that came out yesterday. "half a world away from the capitol, capitol hill deadlock, the debt crisis weighs heavily on troops in afghanistan. and the top question on their minds saturday, even as bombings rocked the city around them, was one a top united states military officer couldn't answer -- will we get paid?" admiral mullen went on to say, "i don't know the answer to that question. but either way, those soldiers, all of you must continue to work every day." this is really unacceptable. a country as rich and powerful as ours, men and women with bombs going off arnold them, shouldn't wonder if this country would leave them high and dry. this afternoon i've aske
. >> -- ask about military strategy or how a troop drawdown in afghanistan would affect them. no. they ask whether they would pay for republicans to force the united states government to stop paying its bills. a region that has been rocked by violence and plagued by suicide bombers this month and wondered how they would take care of their families if the checks stopped coming next month. let me read a little bit of that that came out yesterday. "half a world away from the capitol,...
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afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many years, tunisia is a bright star. egypt is not going to be a democracy in the way we know it. yemen is a huge problem. libya, who knows. i think there's progress that's been made here. i agree there's a lot of countries not making progress. syria, who knows what's going to happen. there will be real gains. >> i kind of agree with governor dean. in yemen, if we have what you describe, the potential for ungovernable state, it will become a petri dish of groups. they may be highly dysfunctional, but not failed. how does the u.s. not send som
afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many...
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this is a war of religion in the country and not different from afghanistan, and a few less people are getting shot. but you know, we have talked on the last show about this book of mine "sex, god and mom," and people who read that book understand that religion impacts politics and you brought up michele bachmann and i read today where she was saying that she got into politics by reading my late father francisç shea's books on calling for the people to overthrow the government and unless it sent roe v. wade back to the courts for decision to take choice away from women. this element is prevalent in the united states right now, and we can't kid ourselves, because it is extremism under the form of christianity. >> thank you, frank. >>> and now, like the fall of communism, some are beginning to suggest that multiculturalism has had the day. in the last few months a number of world leaders from prime minister david cameron in the uk to chancellor angel la ameria mm germany have spoken of the fall of this. and just as europe have developed a single currency and tried to be a unified union
this is a war of religion in the country and not different from afghanistan, and a few less people are getting shot. but you know, we have talked on the last show about this book of mine "sex, god and mom," and people who read that book understand that religion impacts politics and you brought up michele bachmann and i read today where she was saying that she got into politics by reading my late father francisç shea's books on calling for the people to overthrow the government and...
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this is afghanistan. it may be a holiday, but we are in a war zone. we did get word this morning that a nato service member was missing in afghanistan. it was confirmed by afghan and british officials he was a british soldier. our producer got a text message from the taliban spokesperson who claims they did kidnap a nato service member. they claimed it was an american. they said they also killed him. >> in kabul, thank you. >>> president obama is taking a break from the debt debate to celebrate the fourth of july with military families later this evening. we are live at the white house watching that for us. what is on the agenda for us? >> hi, richard. you are right. today is all about celebrating the fourth of july. president obama and his family were at camp david over the weekend. they got back last evening. this evening, they are hosting a celebration for military members and families. it will be filled with a barbecue fourth of july celebration and also wouldn't be complete without fireworks. everyone is looking forward to that event. a break fro
this is afghanistan. it may be a holiday, but we are in a war zone. we did get word this morning that a nato service member was missing in afghanistan. it was confirmed by afghan and british officials he was a british soldier. our producer got a text message from the taliban spokesperson who claims they did kidnap a nato service member. they claimed it was an american. they said they also killed him. >> in kabul, thank you. >>> president obama is taking a break from the debt...
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>> afghanistan. >> oh, afghanistan. i think we are trying to disengage. that is a sensible policy. i don't think we should proclaim to stay there and win and create a modern afghanistan, i think that has been abandoned. >> i don't think we should pack our bags and just leave. the president is striving at a departure. reinforced by an international umbrella that is yet to be shaped, a kind of regional consensus and in effect, create a situation with the problem of afghanistan, which is also the problem of pakistan, becomes a regional problem in which the country's in the region have a stake in solving and are not -- there's a reasonable chance that can be pulled off. >> dr. brzezinski, you mentioned pakistan. the focus of policy leaders. turning away from afghanistan, we got reports the journalist who was killed by the isi inside pakistan further out is complicating our relationship with that group. we announced going in to kill osama bin laden. how do we manage this relationship that's been difficult to manage for as far as the eye can see? >> well, first of all, we have to recogni
>> afghanistan. >> oh, afghanistan. i think we are trying to disengage. that is a sensible policy. i don't think we should proclaim to stay there and win and create a modern afghanistan, i think that has been abandoned. >> i don't think we should pack our bags and just leave. the president is striving at a departure. reinforced by an international umbrella that is yet to be shaped, a kind of regional consensus and in effect, create a situation with the problem of afghanistan,...
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money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american campaign calling the afghan war fragile and reversible. petraeus says now is the time to rekindle a once, trusting relationship. >> carl, you talked about debt and the money we have been pouring into the wars over the past decade. we are spending $2 billion to $2.5 billion a week. >> it's never going to change. that's the real point. this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists?
money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american...
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confirming it ises they're going to take the trillion dollars save from the drawdowns of wars in iraq and afghanistan, apply that ta the biden framework. i talked to harry reid's office today. couldn't get a yes or no answer on that. i did get out of leadership aides they're not going to impb kblud the entitlement reforms that president obama had offered. there's no raising of the medicare eligibility age. there's no means testing. you're looking at steep domestic discretionary cuts.ç >> sounds as though what harry reid is you can tag about doing is taking the most volatile issues off the table for now. but is he putting up enough that's actually hard wired because if you talk about notional savings from wars that haven't been drawn down yet, a lot of things can happen between now and then. >> that savings started showing up when president obama presented his first budget it's always been seen as a little gimmicky. the house guys have been very reluctant to count it. it's not money that we're planning to spend. after their guys felt like they were sort of misled during the cr fight about how much w
confirming it ises they're going to take the trillion dollars save from the drawdowns of wars in iraq and afghanistan, apply that ta the biden framework. i talked to harry reid's office today. couldn't get a yes or no answer on that. i did get out of leadership aides they're not going to impb kblud the entitlement reforms that president obama had offered. there's no raising of the medicare eligibility age. there's no means testing. you're looking at steep domestic discretionary cuts.ç...
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they take -- they say we're going to wind down in iraq and afghanistan and save a trillion dollars without having a war for ten more years. who thought we'd be there for ten more years so republicans say that's a gimmick. the reid plan will have a hard time passing and will not pass the house so you've got the two plans out there are ultimately horses you can't ride to the finish line and the issue becomes, what comes after them and can you get it done before monday or tuesday of next week? i think we're heading towards a two or three-week extension of this fight. i think the president will accept some sort of extension for two or three weeks to allow this fight to play out. >> when we come back we'll talk to our panel and get james carville's take and eric erikkson's take on those two plans. let us know what you think. i'll be tweeting and on facebook. >>> ahead, norway terror suspect. what we learned and his new claims he didn't act alone and and the chilling 1500-page anti-muslim manifesto. >>> and the dominique strauss-kahn case. the maid at the center of the assault. breaks her silenc
they take -- they say we're going to wind down in iraq and afghanistan and save a trillion dollars without having a war for ten more years. who thought we'd be there for ten more years so republicans say that's a gimmick. the reid plan will have a hard time passing and will not pass the house so you've got the two plans out there are ultimately horses you can't ride to the finish line and the issue becomes, what comes after them and can you get it done before monday or tuesday of next week? i...
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basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it. marvin, go ahead. >> i agree with you, pat. the relevant point is vietnam was in his point. he did not want to go too far or get trapped in baghdad. this is one of the most fascinating things, you can get in on the act, too. the way one of the presidents after another, vietnam sits there just hanging around and even if you wanted to dump it, you couldn't. >> i asked obama about this a year ago and he maintains he's free of the vietnam. >> i agree with you. he's the one sitting there saying i'm not doing ten years. i'm not doing $1 trillion. it's about vietnam. it's about getting into a steal mate. >> yet, we s
basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it....
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two women in an allout brawl in afghanistan's parliament. one lawmaker threw her shoe. the other threw a water battle. >> we thought the fighting in washington was bad. >> wow. this's something you don't see every day. >> a mexican man convicted of rape and murder is about to be executing in texas, but obama administration says that could put many americans in danger. and are prosecutors any closer to dropping assault charges against the former head of the international monetary fund? ♪ ♪ look at that car, well, it goes fast ♪ ♪ givin' my dad a heart attack ♪ [ friend ] that is so awesome. ♪ i love my car [ engine revving ] [ male announcer ] that first chevy, yea, it gets under your skin. ♪ before i started taking abilify, i was taking an antidepressant alone. most days i could put on a brave face and muddle through. but other days i still struggled with my depression. i was managing, but it always had a way of creeping up on me. i felt stuck. i just couldn't shake my depression. so i talked to my doctor. he said adding abilify to my antidepressant could
two women in an allout brawl in afghanistan's parliament. one lawmaker threw her shoe. the other threw a water battle. >> we thought the fighting in washington was bad. >> wow. this's something you don't see every day. >> a mexican man convicted of rape and murder is about to be executing in texas, but obama administration says that could put many americans in danger. and are prosecutors any closer to dropping assault charges against the former head of the international...
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possible court-martial to allegedly possessing child pornography, and earlier he refused to deploy to afghanistan, and requested to be discharged as a consequence unityius objector. >>> ten childrener said to be among the dead and 37 people were reportedly wounded. at last report they have driven the militants back, though sporadic fighting continues. the taliban are claiming responsibility. >>> governor chris christie is expected to head home this evening. he was reportedly experiencing shortness of breath. according to a statement from his office, hi bent to the hospital out of, quote, an abundance of caution. he will be back at work tomorrow. >>> a new government report projects the government will pay for half of all health care costs by 2020, up from 44% two years ago. the shift is attributed to rising health care costs and last year's health care reform that will give millions more access. costs are expected to reach 4.3 trillion annually or almost $14,000 per person, that's what it works out to. >> thanks, lisa. >>> republican hardliners telling washington it doesn't know how to manage the
possible court-martial to allegedly possessing child pornography, and earlier he refused to deploy to afghanistan, and requested to be discharged as a consequence unityius objector. >>> ten childrener said to be among the dead and 37 people were reportedly wounded. at last report they have driven the militants back, though sporadic fighting continues. the taliban are claiming responsibility. >>> governor chris christie is expected to head home this evening. he was reportedly...
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that's a pretty nice example for afghanistan if you want to look somewhere. maybe ukraine. >> i like ukraine. >> this is nice. bring a chair. introduce some furniture into the brawl. that works, too. georgia. how about georgia. the country of georgia. that's actually a city council meeting getting very aggressive. and then south korea always treats us to nice parliamentary brawls. >> i like that. holding on to the podium. okay. thank you. >>> ezra, what did you learn? >> republicans, not huge fans of taxes. eric cantor, doesn't love revenue. >> just learned that today? >> learned a couple of things. >> larry david does not like eric cantor. >> and he's not coming back. >> he's coming back when joe is here. >> oh, good. >> and life begins anew sunday evening because "curb your enthusiasm" returns to the air waves sunday on hbo. >> i love it. >> i actually learned something else. ezra klein today and tomorrow, 3:00, hosting on msnbc for the full hour. that's appointment tv. >> you have to watch. >> it's not going to be as funny as larry david. >> just follow th
that's a pretty nice example for afghanistan if you want to look somewhere. maybe ukraine. >> i like ukraine. >> this is nice. bring a chair. introduce some furniture into the brawl. that works, too. georgia. how about georgia. the country of georgia. that's actually a city council meeting getting very aggressive. and then south korea always treats us to nice parliamentary brawls. >> i like that. holding on to the podium. okay. thank you. >>> ezra, what did you learn?...
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let's talk about the debt ceiling, afghanistan -- >> a music guy. >> amazing. >> forget about it! >> seriously. >> i am not kidding, she's incredible. >> do you have any other news we can't use? >> no. >> let's watch that again. >> i want to hear "free man in par paris." >> she is good at the guitar. >> you started in your 20s yes. >> did you grow up like donna summer, singing in the church? >> no. my family sat around and sang. that's what we do. this is over sharing. >> no, it's not. >> who did you look op to musically? >> patty griffin. girls from austin. i love them so much. if i saw them here -- >> savannah! >> i am surprised. peel back this onion and there are so many layers. >> america already loved you, and now we don't know what to do with you're so great. >> she will be reciting poetry next hour. >> coming up, chuck schumer. >> announcer: this past year alone there's been a 67% spike in companies embracing the cloud-- big clouds, small ones, public, private, even hybrid. your data and apps must move easily and securely to reach many clouds, not just one. that's why the n
let's talk about the debt ceiling, afghanistan -- >> a music guy. >> amazing. >> forget about it! >> seriously. >> i am not kidding, she's incredible. >> do you have any other news we can't use? >> no. >> let's watch that again. >> i want to hear "free man in par paris." >> she is good at the guitar. >> you started in your 20s yes. >> did you grow up like donna summer, singing in the church? >> no. my family...
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past couple of years, the president has given on major issues and promises from gitmo to the war in afghanistan. he's given on taxes. he mised a huge opportunity in my opinion there. why can't the republicans just open their minds a little bit, give a little bit. go back on a commitment to make something happen. >> obama is wrong. >> he's not wrong. >> he had a $780 billion stimulus. the $700 billion tarp, three deficits for $1.5 trillion. we have the fete pumping in $600 billion. it hasn't worked. and so it hasn't -- if it hasn't worked, cohen calls this a cult. the cult won 63 seats. six months ago. what happened to his party. >> thankfully we didn't listen to republicans on the carr industry without the investment the american people made, we would have lost gm, chrysler, ford, and lost our ability on the global stage too. thank god we ignored the republicans when it came to saving the financial system without it. it was the right thing to do for them to pay them back. but what i want to know, ray torically, is where was the team party when bush ran the debt up. they were absent. this isn't
past couple of years, the president has given on major issues and promises from gitmo to the war in afghanistan. he's given on taxes. he mised a huge opportunity in my opinion there. why can't the republicans just open their minds a little bit, give a little bit. go back on a commitment to make something happen. >> obama is wrong. >> he's not wrong. >> he had a $780 billion stimulus. the $700 billion tarp, three deficits for $1.5 trillion. we have the fete pumping in $600...
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if you follow the news right now, we have 5-year-old boys in afghanistan. this is, i think that particular chapter of life. it's still continuing to this day. it's why we screened the movie for the u.n. the u.n. correspond ens. we got a leaked memo that the secretary general is concerned about the film. they will not -- they are trying to do a damage control thing. >> no commenting, no condemnation? >> no. we have internal memos saying it happened, but let's not make it public. we are trying to comment on this issue, not -- or the state department or whoever. this isn't something that happened way back when. it still continues and we can look at the laws of international immunity and this can be -- >> right. >> there's -- there are gray areas to things, but in my opinion i think you agree it's black and white, peacekeepers should not be buying and selling girls. >> we can all agree on that. >> you know. >> i'm trying to figure out what the bush state department incentive would be for covering it up? >> really? >> why? >> to be honest -- >> united nations. >
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talk about the drone lawyers against afghanistan, pakistan. you're reading a couple pieces in the "new york times." now it's spreading to all of these different countries and one that really jumped off the page for me, drone attacks in somalia. >> joining us, jeremy scahill, on the cia secret sites in somalia, jeremy, the secret training programs and secret prisons out of somalia is part of your reporting there. how big a threat are these terrorist group there's? >> we should say first of all president obama campaigned on a promise to go up against these bush era policies declaring war on the world, running secret sites, torturing prisoners. deeply involved in an underground dungeon officially run by the somali national security agency, but their salaries are paid by the cia directly. in fact, one somali agent described thousand hairli ed ho and paid by u.s. agents and the u.s. is interrogating prisoners, including those rendered by the kenyan government, snatched off the streets in nairobi based on u.s. intelligence and taken to this secret p
talk about the drone lawyers against afghanistan, pakistan. you're reading a couple pieces in the "new york times." now it's spreading to all of these different countries and one that really jumped off the page for me, drone attacks in somalia. >> joining us, jeremy scahill, on the cia secret sites in somalia, jeremy, the secret training programs and secret prisons out of somalia is part of your reporting there. how big a threat are these terrorist group there's? >> we...